12 Mar 2009

Having a baby in Hungary

Posted by Reka


If you’re newly pregnant and unfamiliar with the Hungarian health care system, you might wonder what your options are in this country for prenatal care and giving birth. The system is confusing even for those of us who speak the language. I tried to summarize the available options below.

1.  You go into the Hungarian health care system, visit the local clinic (szakrendelő) and see whichever obstetrician happens to be on duty there. Your prenatal care would be coordinated by your health visitor (védőnő) , the obstetrician at the clinic, and your general practitioner. Between the three of them, they send you to all the appropriate lab tests and exams. Then when it’s time for you to give birth, you go into the hospital and you’ll be attended by whoever is on duty that day.

The money: All your care is covered by the Hungarian health insurance (TB). Doctors and nurses may still give you the feeling that they expect something for their services, though.

The reality: It’s totally luck of the draw what kind of experience you’ll have. It can range from being totally ignored to being perfectly well attended. If you choose this option, prepare yourself for long waiting times at the clinic, which will be old and run-down and possibly dirty. Hospitals are also old and run-down with not enough staff on duty, and also possibly dirty. Get to know your local hospital to see if their methods and facilities are acceptable to you. Many hospitals, especially those outside of Budapest, still have shared labor and delivery rooms, so you might find yourself giving birth in the same room with 2 other women, separated only by a curtain. In most hospitals, you will not have a private room for the 4 days you spend at the hospital, but rather share a room with 3-7 other moms. Teaching hospitals allow medical students to wander in and check your dilation. Over 70% of first-time mothers receive an episiotomy. Many hospitals do not allow you to move around during labor. Many hospitals still do not allow rooming-in. VISIT YOUR HOSPITAL!!!

The pros: Cheap. Also, if you would like an unmedicated, uninterrupted birth, having no designated doctor may actually work in your favor, since there will be no doctor feeling obligated to “do something” during your labor so as to earn their fee.

The cons: Impersonal and luck of the draw. The doctor on duty may have very different views on childbirth than you. Staff will most likely not speak English. And sometimes you still need to pay to get things done.

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2. You choose/designate a doctor who oversees and coordinates your prenatal care and sends you for all the lab tests he deems necessary. “Designating” a doctor is completely informal, a matter of a verbal agreement between the two of you. You go to wherever he holds his visiting hours, either at the hospital or at a private medical office (rendelő), and pay for each visit. Sometimes these fees are implied rather than stated outright, especially if your doctor holds his hours at a hospital. You will most likely NOT get an invoice for the money you pay. Doctors who do not hold their hours at the hospital will usually rent an apartment at some central location, and hold their office hours there, and the quality of these offices will vary wildly, as will waiting times and your impression of their service. When it’s time to give birth, you go to the hospital that your designated doctor works at, and he will come to oversee your birth. In addition to designating a doctor, you may also choose to designate a nurse who will stay with you and give you a bit more attention at the hospital during your birth. Typically, the doctor, even a designated doctor, only comes in once in a while to check on your progress, and then at the end for the pushing.

The money: You pay your doctor his stated or implied fee after every visit, and you also pay for the birth. Fees these days range from HUF 5000 to HUF 12 0000 for a visit. Almost always, there is also a fee for the birth itself, which is typically 10x the visit fee. So if you find a doctor whose visits cost 5000 HUF, his expected fee for the birth would be 50 000 HUF.  If you designate a nurse, she will also expect some kind of money for attending your birth, usually around 20-30 000 forints.

The reality: Doctors are constrained by the hospitals they work at. (See point 1 for a description of Hungarian hospitals.) It is really important to visit the hospital your designated doctor works at, and inform yourself of what’s possible at that hospital. When you designate a doctor, you are essentially paying so that one person instead of three coordinates your care, and hopefully in order to have someone attend you whose views on birth are similar to yours, not a random person on duty that day. Some doctors (though certainly not all) will give you a cell phone number that you can call with your questions. You’re also paying for him to come into the hospital for your birth, day or night. This can work against you if you happen to have a lengthy labor in the middle of the night after a full day of work for your doctor. Very few doctors are able to resist the temptation under these circumstances to try to speed up your labor by some means. This is an especial danger with doctors who are very popular, or who work at multiple hospitals/clinics.

The pros: You stand a better chance of finding a doctor that you can communicate with, and whose views on birth coincide with your own.

The cons: More costly, and often you won’t find out what your doctors views on birth really are until after the birth.

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3. You go to a private clinic like Rózsakert or First Med Centers, and pay a package fee for their prenatal care.  Most often, you will have a list of doctors to choose from who work at this clinic. This is usually more inclusive than the standard Hungarian health care system protocol, so there are more tests included, and often with the added convenience of doing the labwork on site, so you only have to go to one place for all your prenatal visits and tests. It is also very expensive, and as far as I know does not actually cover your hospital fees. You then still have the choice of going into a public Hungarian hospital (see point 1) where your chosen doctor works, or going to Telki (the one and only private hospital in Hungary) and paying their birth fee over and above the prenatal care package at the clinic.

The money: I just looked up Rózsakert, and right now their prenatal care package is 200 000 forints. Telki’s birth package is approximately 600 000 forints. If you do not have Hungarian health insurance (TB), then a vaginal birth at a public hospital costs around 80 000 forints, a C-section around 160 000 forints. The good news is your private health insurance may cover these fees.

The reality: The clinics claim that they operate at Western European or American standards, but feedback from moms has not been that glowing. Without a doubt, these clinics look nicer than your average Hungarian szakrendelő, but they may not be any more efficient. Also, not all the staff may speak English. For a fact, most of the nurse-midwives at Telki do not speak English, which can be a real problem during and after birth.

The pros: You get all your care in one place where most of the staff speak English. More tests and procedures are included than in standard Hungarian health care. Telki hospital truly feels more like a hotel than a hospital, cannot even be mentioned on the same page with a Hungarian public hospital for level of service.

The cons: Very expensive, especially if your insurance does not cover it. Also, they operate on an extremely medicalized model, and if you want to avoid unnecessary tests and procedures, may have these pushed on you. Having an unmedicated, natural childbirth at Telki is virtually impossible.

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4. You go to a home birth midwife. She will discuss and recommend which tests are necessary for you, and you go back into the health care system to get these done, either at a private clinic or through the public system. Then she will attend your birth at home or wherever you choose.

The money: Home birth midwives range between 50 000 and 140 000 forints for providing all your care, including birth.

The reality:  You have to understand that home birth in Hungary is unregulated, and home birth midwives may be prosecuted for providing care, so they all pretty much work underground, whether they are credentialed midwives from other countries, or licensed obstetricians/nurses. There are very few of them in Hungary. Their fees and their style of care vary depending on their background.  Some will offer you individual prenatal visits up to 90 minutes in length each time, others have one communal week-long course for all their clients. You still need to get all your lab tests done through the health care system, possibly at additional cost (depending on what provider you choose). Getting your child registered after a home birth will take extra steps. The responsibility to find a pediatrician who is willing to examine a just-born newborn outside of a hospital falls on you. The responsibility for getting yourself to a hospital and procuring your anti-D shot if you are Rh- and your baby is Rh+ falls on you. If it becomes necessary to go into a hospital, staff may be hostile to you.

The pros: Practically the only way you can be assured of a natural birth in Hungary. Birth in the comfort and safety of your own home, with the minimum of interventions. Individual, non-invasive care.

The cons: Extra administrative hassle. The risk that if there is the kind of life-threatening emergency where every second counts, you may not make it into a hospital in time.

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4 Responses to “Having a baby in Hungary”

  1. Reka your blog is most informative thank you. Could you recommend an English speaking, English or American trained ob/gyn who attends births at Telki?

     

    Jacki

  2. Hi Jacki,

    I’m glad you found the blog informative! I don’t know where any of the ob/gyns who practice at Telki received their education, but here is a page that lists who currently works there: http://www.telkihospital.hu/szuleszet-1

    At a quick glance, none of them were trained outside the country, and not all of them speak English at more than an intermediate level.

    I would recommend that you schedule appointments with a few of them after you arrive here in Hungary, and choose the one that is the best match for you, based on your birth plan and what you consider important.

    Hope this helps!

     

    Réka

  3. Reka, thank you for your very informative page.
    Being a foreigner myself yet fluent in Hungarian, I have conducted a similar search when planning my prenatal care and birth in Hungary.
    I understand you want to give a balanced overview, however I need to comment on your advice on some points on private options.
    1. Choosing a designated doctor’s practice vs. a private clinic for prenatal care is virtually the same in terms of cost, with a big difference in billing- a private clinic/practice/hospital will certainly provide you with bills and assist you with your private insurance claims. Places like Rozsakert Medical and Telki hospital may claim the visit charges directly from your insurance provider, sparing you the money and effort. Money wise, the best option is arranging for a fee per trimester basis, which is around HUF60,000/trimester and includes doctor fees and all lab tests. Choosing a designated doctor like I myself initially did may mean endless bills for every single ultrasound and blood test down the line, coupled with hours!!! spent waiting outside the doctor’s cabinet in his/her private practice. Having realized that this practice generally feeds on vulnerable women I switched immediately. In addition, your number of visits per trimester in a private clinic is not limited- which is very handy if God forbid you will need to come in for an extra test or an ultrasound which is not part of your plan.
    2. Telki hospital DOES have several doctors who do speak English and other languages (French, German and Russian) fluently, with some doctors (eg. Tibor Elekes) with experience outside of Hungary. Many doctors have their private web pages, and I encourage consulting the hospital on the matter or just browsing on the net.
    3. The last and most important point is that personally I found that nowadays equally in the state hospitals and especially in Telki private hospital, giving birth free of medications is possible and supported by the doctors. I would therefore disagree with your notion that having a medicated birth is a hospital policy in Hungary, but rather attribute this to the choice of the doctor conducting the birth. Many of my family members and friends giving birth in Telki and other hospitals with a doctor having a more modern approach to birth were encouraged to abandon the notion of medication by their doctors, to our surprise. Even me, who was certain to ask for an epidural, was strongly persuaded by my doctor to switch to a more natural approach to birth. Moreover, if you choose to have a designated doctor you will pay for at your birth, the control is completely yours. It is therefore up to you to decide what risks and choices your would like to subdue yourself to- whether you would like to have a pain free delivery or a non medicated birth, how you would like to spend several hours of contractions (in a hot tub or laying down) and whether you would like to completely avoid episiotomy at any cost, undertaking the risk of a possible rupture. The point I am trying to make is that the rules are not so rigid and the doctors are more open to a discussion nowadays than a person would initially think.

     

    Julia Kovach

  4. Hi Julia,

    Thanks for your thoughtful reply!

    1. I would have to disagree on the cost issue, though. A higher-end obstetrician these days charges around HUF 10 000 per visit, and HUF 100 000 for the birth itself. So if you start attending prenatal care when you’re in your first month, you’ll end up paying about a total of HUF 200-250 000 for the pregnancy and birth of your baby if you have the Hungarian health insurance. By contrast, both Rózsakert and First Med charge a flat rate for prenatal care that’s 200-300 000, and does not include the cost of Telki, which is about HUF 600 000 for a vaginal birth, but they charge fee-for-service, which means it’ll be more if you want an epidural or end up having a C-section, or needing any extra procedures. Yes, if you have private insurance, their packages are very nice, and you may not “see” the actual cost. You may also be correct in your assessment if you do not have the Hungarian health insurance, because I actually don’t know what the Hungarian system charges for lab tests and other procedures you need during pregnancy. I do know, however, that at a state hospital, the cost of a vaginal birth is HUF 80 000, and the cost of a C-section is about HUF 130 000. So for an uncomplicated pregnancy and birth, you can expect to pay a total of about HUF 300 000 if you designate a doctor and have your baby at a Hungarian state hospital if you do not have the Hungarian health insurance and pay everything out of pocket. Which is still a great deal less than the HUF 800 000 – 1 000 000 you would spend at a private clinic and Telki.

    2. I know Telki has lots of doctors who work there who speak other languages. My experience, though, suggests that when you show up at Telki, at first your doctor will not be there, and you’ll be attended by the nurse and doctor on duty, and they may very well not speak English. Your doctor is likely to only be called to the hospital once you are in active labor, approaching full dilation. And after your birth, you’ll still have 3-5 days at the hospital, during which time again you’ll be attended by the regular staff, and it’s about 50-50 who speaks English and who doesn’t.

    3. I agree that the doctor’s person makes a huge difference in how medicated the birth ends up being. Some doctors simply use interventions more readily and more often than others. However, all doctors are constrained by the hospital policies and by the policies of the head doctor in particular at that hospital. So your doctor can always be overruled by the head doctor if there is a question about your care. And at that point, it comes down to the professional philosophy of the head doctor at that hospital, and you don’t always know that in advance. Some hospitals simply have a reputation for being more interventionist than others. Yes, you’re right, that even at the most interventionist hospital it’s possible to end up lucky with the right doctor and the right kind of quick and uncomplicated birth. My point is only that your chances are higher at a hospital that is known for being non-interventionist.

    I’d also like to address your point about episiotomies. Several large studies have now indicated that episiotomies actually increase the chance of a 3rd or 4th degree tear – precisely the type of bad tear they were meant to avoid. The WHO has actually contraindicated routine episiotomies since 1997, and yet in Hungary, they are still performed routinely, even at the most non-interventionist hospitals.

     

    Reka

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